tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8254161712179751528.post3277984557015588520..comments2023-10-30T03:55:19.145-07:00Comments on Pi Lambda Upsilon: Eli, Eli, lama sabacthani?Lone Star PLUhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07698621299004358380noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8254161712179751528.post-73409066651396168072009-03-23T21:30:00.000-07:002009-03-23T21:30:00.000-07:00OK. I see what you mean. Yes, that is very much ...OK. I see what you mean. Yes, that is very much the basis. As we learned in Christology, heresies arise from either emphasizing the humanity too much or from emphasizing the divinity too much. Many see belief that Christ somehow felt/experienced separation or abandonment from the the Father as a denial of His divinity. <BR/>I (following minds greater than mine!) tend to see holding that He perpetually had the Beatific Vision as a denial of the kenosis. I think, because He IS God, He is able to empty Himself so fully that he could even feel the separation from the Father that is cause by sin.<BR/>There are some who would argue that Christ, in His kenotic state, could assemble a computer (without any training). Is that really human? It's interesting that some of the greatest devotions have come about by private revelations that specifically combat the tendancy to emphasize His divinity at the expense of His humanity (Sacred Heart and Divine Mercy). I can't think of any devotions that have come from private revelations to combat the emphasis of His humanity at the expense of His divinity.Lone Star PLUhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07698621299004358380noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8254161712179751528.post-30742062924114477002009-03-23T15:14:00.000-07:002009-03-23T15:14:00.000-07:00In rejecting the Arian heresy, the Church proclaim...In rejecting the Arian heresy, the Church proclaimed the Son "consubstantial" or "homoousious" with the Father. If that is true, I can see how one could logically conclude that it is not possible to separate the two.<BR/><BR/>How that reconciles with the kenosis of the Son, I leave to superior intellects better schooled in philosophy and theology.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8254161712179751528.post-39039333130765224832009-03-23T13:28:00.000-07:002009-03-23T13:28:00.000-07:00I'm not sure what you mean. I have never heard th...I'm not sure what you mean. I have never heard that connection, but you may be correct.Lone Star PLUhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07698621299004358380noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8254161712179751528.post-47184082568155827142009-03-23T10:21:00.000-07:002009-03-23T10:21:00.000-07:00Isn't the argument that He always beheld the Face ...Isn't the argument that He always beheld the Face of God and never experienced separation due to the implications of how the Church rejected the Arian heresy?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8254161712179751528.post-21215872326815071482009-03-22T22:12:00.000-07:002009-03-22T22:12:00.000-07:00I use the numbering that is common in the Catholic...I use the numbering that is common in the Catholic Church, which is Psalm 21. In English speaking countries, many have adopted the Protestant numbering of the Psalms, which would have this as Psalm 22. However, among the Catholic and Orthodox, the numbering from the LXX is used more commonly.Lone Star PLUhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07698621299004358380noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8254161712179751528.post-16025845988905110602009-03-21T15:06:00.000-07:002009-03-21T15:06:00.000-07:00you are using the wrong Psalm... its psalm 22:1 th...you are using the wrong Psalm... its psalm 22:1 that "Eloi Eloi lama sabacthani" comes from.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15848541529055583683noreply@blogger.com